Are YOU A Collectivist?
posted by Tomás Estrada-Palma at
10:22 PM
Friday, June 27, 2008
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- Name: Tomás Estrada-Palma
- Location: Annapolis, MD, United States
Let entrepreneurs into Cuba, keep the tax low and watch the economic explosion happen. Whenever there are more jobs than workers the wages and benefits are driven upward. That's because entrepreneurs compete for a limited supply of workers. Those who lose the competition will not be as successful because they can't grow without more laborers. Finally, the first modern society on the planet will be populated by people who are neither slaves to the pharaohs of industry nor government. Cuban workers will have the best job security in the world!
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Tomás break it to them gently, people who do not think in an analytical fashion find it extremely difficult to simply listen to a different version of events than the one(s) that they are accustomed to, this type of non-independent thinkers refuse to cross that threshold or break out of the box that they find so comfortable or secure , they are more adept to see things from a biased and limited perspective and get offended when they hear someone tell it differently, taking the time to analyze the information that conflicts with their blue pill taking world is not part of their programmed mentality, they are basically one track minded drones or automatons who get upset at the messenger(s) instead of bothering to examine the evidence.
a view is good!! if you only ''take the time.. too look at our world .. in the light shineing so bright it,s blinding you eye,s frist and then your mind . only time will tell the never ending life quested story,s of new found freedom now need everwear at the same time what a shame and i for one can feel the overwelling pain././in the brian to end of time and can you hear it tick or your heart beat !!
Not a good thing my friend, you are no one to tell me what I am and what I am not. You have an opinion and that's all it is, an opinion. You want to gather up a group of collectivist than do so, but then you will be a collectivist yourself. You will set your own laws of collectivism and you would all abide by them just like the group of people you put down. It's a merry-go-round my friend. I agree with some things you say and I disagree with others, but because you don't like what I disagree on doesn't make me a collectivist, remember that. I'm speaking for myself here, you have no right to tell me what I am and what I am not. Categorize everyone differently my friend, don't place them all in "one" category. I was born free and with my opinions to boot, don't try to change my way of thinking with your collectivist ideals. You want to start a commune be my guest, you want to protest, go on, you want to become a preacher man for your collectivist concept go ahead start your own "network", go ahead but don't get in my shit, keep it to yourself, don't categorize me. Don't tell me what I am and what I am not. All Cuban-Americans do not think alike and that's for sure but we manage to accept it because we have a common goal. What I do disagree with is anybody who tries to break us up, that includes other Cuban-Americans, there are a few jealous ones out there. That's my opinion, my way of thinking. I'll spend as much time arguing with someone as long as we can come to a peaceful conclusion or understanding, meet in the middle somewhere. Again, that's my theory. But anyone who immediately places me in their imaginary category, they can go fu... themselves. Happy 4th of July!!!
What make anyone a collectivist is not me but the person's beliefs and actions. Since most people ARE collectivists but unaware I will point it out.
Are you a collectivist Jose?
You tell me.
Do you support collectivist concepts like income tax, public schools, Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, campaign spending or donation restrictions, gun bans, drug laws, Federal Reserve fiat money or any group right or reward or responsibility or punishment?
Probably you have not given all these things much thought. I'm just making sure you think about them if you read my blog. It would be one thing if I came to your door and screamed that you were a collectivist. But all I've ever done is point out what a collectivist IS. If the shoe fit anybody that is not my fault. People can either change shoes or ignore me and not read my blog.
But I'll be silent about it when I'm dead and not before. I know this pisses some Cubans off but since they ARE ignorant about collectivism they need to hear it.
For the record though Jose, if you are a collectivist you are not much of one. Perhaps just a bit of one about the things you have not given much thought to. If you hang around me you have to think.
You know something Tomas, you can take your collectivist ideas and shove it! How you like that, that's your opinion and that's all it is, an opinion. Don't tell me what is what, don't try to preach to me, I don't like anybody telling me how to think. My beef and you know it very well is the video, especially in the end, where you accuse and categorize your fellow Cuban-Americans compatriots as a group of puppets and with a high tone of voice to top it off. Don't ask me stupid questions and judge me on my reaction. You still don't get it, it is your opinion, that's it! You are entitled to that but don't insult me and accuse me, that's my point. That's where you go off the tracks. You want to place valuable information on this blog about all the injustices we face everyday in America, I'll be more than glad to read them and even post it on my website. You are better off that way but if you place people in categories just because they don't agree with you, then you are going to get backlashes like this and you are going to have to take it because you started them. Unless that's what you are looking for, some type of argument. And arguments is what you will be getting into, not disagreements because your attacks on people are too general, too invalid and too harsh. Happy 4th of July, again.
That's a pretty intellectual argument "shove it." Perhaps you felt that my video was saying all Cubans or all exile were collectivist. Maybe you support some of the collectivist schemes that I mentioned and took insult because even though you might support that scheme you don't want to admit it would place you in the collectivist camp. I can't say what angers you but it is not in my power to control your anger. That's you responsibility. In fact I never said on my blog that any individual Cuban exile WAS collectivist - I merely defined what one is. Since you have this much anger about even a discussion of collectivism maybe you need the discussion on the topic to clarify you thinking.
You have accused me of a bunch of stuff but not one example of how you are correct - only assumptions of my motives and speculation as to who the collectivist are in the exile community. I define collectivism and let the chips fall where they may. You have given me ZERO argument about any of the "IDEAS" that I have suggested. You throw insults like the CDR does when the ideas they hear are not the ones Fidel prefers. You attack me personally but leave my ideas alone. If you are trying to build an effective argument to somehow counter my definition of collectivism or who might be one you have thus far fallen short.
I'm still waiting for any counter argument that suggest my definition of collectivism is not valid. So far you've been long on insults but very short of valid arguments.
Maybe you might give a try at defining collectivism or let me know what you are arguing about. All I'm getting is some vague notion that you are suggesting that even if I feel some exiles are employing the same political/economic concept as Fidel - collectivism - that I shouldn't mention it. Why the heck not? I'm sure they just never realized it and even if it gets them mad at me at first there are enough people in the world telling Cubans what they want to hear. I have to tell the truth.
If that is your argument then tell me why I should not define collectivism?
I am a John McCain supporter, I was a McCain campaign volunteer back in 1999-2000, that does not mean that I agree with everything that the Senator supports, Ron Paul has already thrown the towel and there is no way in God's earth that I could support the neo-Marxist Obama, so my support and my vote go to John McCain. Tomás is correct when he points out the collectivist ideas of McCain which I believe the Senator has to support whether he truly agrees with them or not.
In order to be able to reform government, a candidate has to be careful not to step on the wrong toes these days, Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul have stepped on the wrong toes, therefore, they are where they are now, neither one of them have been sufficiently astute to understand the powerful forces that are the real power in the US and the world, even if they recognize the existence of such interests they did not choose the subtle path to achieve a position that would have allowed them a more effective platform from which they would have been able to conduct reformist efforts. Am I a collectivist? Not at heart I'm not, I am a pragmatic realist, which is the reason why I will vote for McCain come November of 2008.
José, I take it that you were born and raised here in the USA, if I'm wrong by all means do set me straight, the reason that leads me to believe that you were born and raised here is that as a Cuban born and raised in Cuba I am well aware of a non-written cultural tradition of ours that usually, though not always (the exceptions being the low class,) differentiate the Cubans from the Americans of Cuban ancestry, that is our Cuban tradition of always being respectful to our elders whether they are relatives or not, I do not know what may have transpired between you and Tomás, but I DO KNOW that no younger Cuban would ever address an older Cuban or an American of Cuban ancestry with profane words and then proceed to consider himself a true Cuban, maybe you were never taught that very important component of authentic cubanismo, perhaps you may learn it now that I have made you aware of it. Disagree all you want, that's your God given right, but please be polite and respectful while you disagree, keep that very important real Cuban tradition alive. Thanks José. Happy 4th of July to all.
Thanks Angel,
We disagree on the politics but agree on politeness. Jose is having a bad day. Don't think badly of him. He doesn't mean anything negative - he just angry right now.
Tomás, whenever I have disagreed with you I have told you, yet we remain respectful and appreciative of each other's friendship and mutual cubanismo, no thanks are necessary for I know your character, nevertheless, you are welcome. I do not think badly of José Reyes, I do not even know him, I do know that there are many of his points of view with which I agree, I also have gathered based on his writings that there is much that he does not know, particularly the important details about the Cuban situation that he seems to want to ignore, I find it interesting that the Brigade 2506 combat veterans have points of view similar to mine concerning the USA and José does not, let's be honest, he is more American than Cuban, that's fine with me, but if anyone wants to dig into the reality of the Cuban situation, the bonds of loyalty to the USA should not be allowed to get in the way of the dark truth of the USA's involvement in supporting Kasstro and destroying our families lives in the process, pointing to the flaws of the USA does not equate to disloyalty, it equates to being truthful whether we like the truth or not. Profanity should never enter any valid debate or difference of opinion, extremists love profanity because it gives them a way out of the disagreements that their points of view cannot defeat, both the extreme left and the extreme right love it.
By the way,
Angel does not need enlightenment and we agree on where we want to go as a society. We just differ on the fastest route to take. So Angel will vote for McCain. That in and of itself does not make Angel a collectivist. It is a political tactic employed by an individualist searching for a life filled with liberty in the manner that he believes will get there the quickest.
So that there is no misunderstanding, Angel is not a collectivist EVEN thought he supports McCain. Certainly there are others just like Angel and they are not collectivists either purely for adopting this political tactic. It's the other things that make people collectivist that deal with taking rights from the individual and giving them to groups.
McCain supports collectivist notions by the way but that's not why Angel votes for him and Angel will be the first to acknowledge that McCain is a collectivist. He dislike Obama even more who he feels will be a bigger collectivist.
Angel aside, there remain many of you who would do well to think about what it means to be a collectivist.
Angel, you are wrong again my friend, I was born in Cuba, and I respect everyone, you have the wrong idea about me. As for Tomas, he will continue on with his collectivist ideas forever and that doesn't bother me a bit. It seems to me that he wants some attention but again that doesn't bother me either, we all do. The beef I have and both of you keep swaying away from, is the video. That's what this particular comment section is for. You guys must go back and read my comment about the video, let's talk about that. Let's talk about the video. Tomas, I'm doing great, I'm having a great day amigo. In the video Tomas states in a high tone of voice that we (Cuban-Americans) are all collectivists. I'm defending myself, what's wrong with that? You see Angel, he is the one that has been rude.
You are wrong Jose putting words that did not come from my mouth. At no time did I say that you or all Cubans were collectivists in that video. Me thinks you protest too much...
As for rudeness, sorry but that is how you are behaving.
Tomas, the video speaks for itself. As for rudeness, I'm not being rude, I'm just defending myself. Like I said the video speaks for itself. This will be my last comment concerning this post. I made my point.If you don't think so, be my guest and respond, continue on but I will not reply.
Well, if you live in any kind of society are collectivist (YOU TOO)... to be a free social individual have to move on a desert island, eat fish, and drink raining water... I think the individualism is a state of mind, thinking, behavior, attitude and most of all equally respect for any form of life.
peace & respect Rob
You see Jose. The last comment is by a guy who doesn't even think individualism can exist. He thinks everybody is a collectivist and that's a good thing. He does not admit that hundreds of millions of people have been murdered by the collectivist over the past 100 years alone. But I can see by his picture he is young and has not felt the sting of collectivist policy yet. I hope he enjoys the collectivist economy we're sinking into.
As for you, you keep saying the video speaks for itself but give no examples. I'd prefer if you speak for yourself and give me examples of the phantom words that you say I said. I seem to recall I said "some" Cubans are collectivists. This last guy is proof enough of that if he's Cuban. However, if you want to reinterpret the word "some" into meaning ALL Cubans including Jose Reyes and can't stop you.
Clearly though Roberto Ferrani IS a collectivist and apparently damn proud of it.
mi hermano tomas; if my mind I am not a collectivist, but in today's society everyone is collectivist in some aspect, wheter sports, politics, religion, etc.. I agree with you on many points, but not on others.
Great idea concerning the video!
Long Live the USA and a Cuba libre!
You are right about everyone being to some degree a collectivist. While I am not a collectivist I must live in a collectivist society and use collectivist fiat currency for example. I have to live. My point was to show what is collectivism so people will realize i t and be informed.
Thanks amigo.
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