My Cross To Bear
In a nutshell, at the end of the day, my task is to convince Americans, especially the majority of Cuban exiles, that they are collectivists. I been told by these collectivists that I am mistaken and that we would have to be in a totalitarian dictatorship like in Cuba to be collectivists. But this is not so. If you tolerate even one collective right not provided to you by God in the form of an individual right then you ARE a collectivist. It would be the same way with race would it not? Wouldn't you still be a racist if you didn't like those black guys over there but you were friendly with some other black guys over here?
However, on the collectivist question the evidence is far more condemning. Not so long ago you were all condemning Chavez for nationalizing private companies. Today the banks, car manufacturers and soon our Real Estate will be nationalized yet this is supported by Democrat and Republican alike. Before you right wing collectivists go off half cocked about your congressional collectivist Republicans voting against the stimulus - get real! They just wanted to spend the money and fiddle with the tax code in a different collective way. But you are so collectivist you cannot even see this. Am I right or are a few of you collectivist Republicans beginning to squirm in your chairs a bit?
So how can you tell if you are a collectivist? First off and of highest importance, if you tolerate fake, fiat Federal Reserve notes rather than legal money based on gold and silver, you probably are a collectivist. If you expect one of the central legs of the socialist party platform that was adopted by our two main parties, Social Security, to force young people struggling to pay to raise the next generation to give you older socialists a huge chunk of their labor output, you are probably a collectivist. If you think it's paying your fair share to be taxed on your house, your car, your food and drink, your bank savings and investments then you are probably a collectivist. If you support a public school system designed by collectivists, to train the future collectivists of the world which forcibly extracts wealth from parents and the childless alike to pay for it - lets face it...you ARE A COLLECTIVIST!
I could go on for hours listing all of the collectivist notions that you collectivists believe because you saw it on television - but why bother? You either get it now or you live in denial. I know you didn't realize it and many will still not see the writing on the wall and refuse to believe they are collectivists. That would also make them dishonest with themselves and that type of person we call a fool. That is what is wrong with the economy. You collectivists have been fooled. If you don't understand what the problem is with the monetary system foisted upon us by the collectivist rulers of America then how are you going to know if this collectivist stimulus package is going to fix it? The best part for our collectivist rulers is when the economy really gets bad they will say "imagine how bad it might have been if we hadn't artificially created trillions of space bucks to fix the economy?" And most of you collectivists will think that's reasonable even though you cannot give even one sensible reason why that notion would be true.
However, on the collectivist question the evidence is far more condemning. Not so long ago you were all condemning Chavez for nationalizing private companies. Today the banks, car manufacturers and soon our Real Estate will be nationalized yet this is supported by Democrat and Republican alike. Before you right wing collectivists go off half cocked about your congressional collectivist Republicans voting against the stimulus - get real! They just wanted to spend the money and fiddle with the tax code in a different collective way. But you are so collectivist you cannot even see this. Am I right or are a few of you collectivist Republicans beginning to squirm in your chairs a bit?
So how can you tell if you are a collectivist? First off and of highest importance, if you tolerate fake, fiat Federal Reserve notes rather than legal money based on gold and silver, you probably are a collectivist. If you expect one of the central legs of the socialist party platform that was adopted by our two main parties, Social Security, to force young people struggling to pay to raise the next generation to give you older socialists a huge chunk of their labor output, you are probably a collectivist. If you think it's paying your fair share to be taxed on your house, your car, your food and drink, your bank savings and investments then you are probably a collectivist. If you support a public school system designed by collectivists, to train the future collectivists of the world which forcibly extracts wealth from parents and the childless alike to pay for it - lets face it...you ARE A COLLECTIVIST!
I could go on for hours listing all of the collectivist notions that you collectivists believe because you saw it on television - but why bother? You either get it now or you live in denial. I know you didn't realize it and many will still not see the writing on the wall and refuse to believe they are collectivists. That would also make them dishonest with themselves and that type of person we call a fool. That is what is wrong with the economy. You collectivists have been fooled. If you don't understand what the problem is with the monetary system foisted upon us by the collectivist rulers of America then how are you going to know if this collectivist stimulus package is going to fix it? The best part for our collectivist rulers is when the economy really gets bad they will say "imagine how bad it might have been if we hadn't artificially created trillions of space bucks to fix the economy?" And most of you collectivists will think that's reasonable even though you cannot give even one sensible reason why that notion would be true.
posted by Tomás Estrada-Palma at
7:37 AM
15 Comments:
You should expeditiously seek psychiatric therapy sir, your inanities, lack of basic decorum, orthographic faux pas and coloquial errs are just the tip of a seriously disturbed iceberg, i.e. your ill and shallow mind.
Do yourself and everyone around you a great favor, commit yourself to a standard psychological battery of tests, you need treatment ASAP.
Keep shilling for the new world order idiot! It's collapsing around you and we will be looking for scum like you who promoted it.
You see how nervous I make these banker scum? This maggot has no ideas. He or she is filled with silly little insults that only make me laugh. Only if these shills could challenge my ideas would I become worried. As long as they are insulting I'm I happy man. Being ignored was bad but these banker pirates cannot ignore me any longer. This particular shill will not identify himself because she is scared like a little girl. Show yourself like a man - if you are one. Low life maggot!
amigo palma
with all due respect your whole thesis is flawed.
ok if collectivism in the field of economics holds that some things should be owned by the group and used for the benefit of all rather than being owned by individuals ie: the commons.
i ask you how can a country be run by individuals with diverse and different views and conflicting interests. wouldn't they end up forming a collective?
you don't like the state what are you proposing that we all take our property and go live in caves. isn't that anarchy?
Be careful Mr. Corgiguy, Mr. Estrada doesn't take disagreements or the truth well, his habitual style of aggressive temper tantrums and raging demeanor belie his illnesses, he is a typical case of psychopathic behavior and hypoglycemic attacks, his habit of snot swallowing (listen to his BTR show, you'll understand) and wanton accussations of "espionage" decrie his psychiatric disease, he fits the stereotypical description of a whacko to a T, his delusional mind convinces him of what's obviously false (e.g., he claims to be Cuban, yet he has never been to the island, doesn't speak a lick of Spanish and has no clue as to the intricacies of the culture) furthermore, he constantly refers to "the exiles" when speaking about Cuban-Americans who are US born descendants of Cubans.
How can these people be called exiles when they live in the nation of their birth? that simple logical and obvious detail matters not to Mr. Estrada, he is an embarrasment to the Cuban community that seeks the liberation of Cuba from the communist oppressors, he must wear tinfoil hats of differing sizes and shapes, he belongs in a mental desease treatment institution, mark my words Mr. Corgiguy, his profanity laden and accussatory response is predictable proof of the illustrative points of view and professional opinion herein expressed.
cjb
looks like you and mr palma have issues.
He's a spy Coriguy who's job it is to sow dissension among individuals. He is the one using profanity while accusing me of this nonsense. So I condemn this scum whether he is with Castro or the US spy agencies. You on the other hand, ask legitimate questions so we should address them.
Actually, many things in society are and will continue to be done by the group. I have no qualms about that. That is freedom of association. But as I've said on many occasions, collectivism is not this. Collectivism is group rights, responsibilities, rewards and punishments. It is the individual being "forced" to have his time, body and labor output used against his will for things he does not support. So for example, you may wish to give your labor output to international bankers to prop them up and that would be fine with me if that is your choice. But it is not my choice and I am being forced against my will to prop up the international bankers by their collectivist employees in Washington, DC. Besides being unAmerican, unfair and unreasonable, collectivism always makes things worse and leads to the collapse of the society like we are witnessing now. Our collectivist money scam is going to spiral out of control.
Don't get me wrong. Collective activity is called for but only with the voluntary participation of the individual. Some examples of working collectivism are the family, Church, community associations, friends, state and local government and finally, a federal government bound strictly by a written Constitution. Sadly, in Cuba and in the U.S. both nations completely ignore the Constitution or say it means something else or that the founders really meant something else and would rewrite it if alive today.
If I'm not clear enough Coriguy or you have another question please ask. But you spies and shills should slither back to you holes where you hide in the dark. You know who I am and where I live. I have NO FEAR OF YOU! You are cowardly scum too frightened to show your face and for good reason. Soon, regular hard working men and women will be hunting for you maggots. You have left an easy trail to follow. Sleep tight vipers!
amigo palma
ok, i get the idea of what you are saying and the libertarian side of my brain tends to agree with most of it. i think the keyword is FORCE, as long as i have a choice and are not mandated, i can make collectivism work for me.
however, you said you are being forced into to propping up bankers, how so? you have freedom of choice you can opt out of the main economy put your money were you think is safe. is anyone forcing you to use a credit card or use a certain bank?
you mentioned social security as one of the evils of collectivism. are you against pension plans, what about 401ks, isn't that the same idea.
don't you think we as society have a moral imperative to provide for the least amongst us? that's the whole idea behind the social security system, the safety net etc.. and if the goverment does not do it who?
Well thanks Coriguy. Actually we don't even have legal money to use. We are forced against our written Constitutional rights to use script created by the Federal Reserve Board. This is an expandable and contactable currency that causes prices and the value of our labor to go up and down without our knowledge. We have a right to use gold and silver as money but our rulers have forbidden this. How can you be free then? We are forced to use their fake money that does not have a stable value. The bankers like this aspect of fiat money. But most people have failed to realize it is counterfeit in the past. Today, not so much so.
I'd tell you to follow the money Coriguy but we don't have any. So follow the counterfeit script. You'll see what I mean.
what does freedom have to do with money? you can always put your money in gold can't you?
and tell me where in the constitution does it say only gold and silver shall be legal tender?
Here you go Coriguy:
• Article I, Section 8, Clause 5: The Congress shall have Power…To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures. [8]
• Article I, Section 10, Clause 1: No State shall…coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debt. [9]
Pretty clear aye? But you cannot pay your bills today in gold or silver. Only federal reserve notes are legal tender in America. You put your money in gold by buying it with fiat federal reserve notes. But to use the gold you must first convert back to fiat money then you can spend. But the banks may by that time have done who knows what with the supply of money making you gold artificially low priced.
well not so much, Although the Constitution does not state that the federal government has the power to print paper currency, the Supreme Court in McCulloch vs Maryland (1819) ruled unanimously that the Second Bank of the United States and the banknotes it issued on behalf of the federal government were Constitutional.
article 1/section 10 makes ilegal for states to issue their own currency.
they way i read it is that the founders want it one single currency issued and controlled by the federal goverment.
here's a good reference:
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/E/usbank/bank06.htm
Yeah the Supreme Court also said slavery was legal so don't go by them. Also, you do realize that the Federal Reserve is not a federal agency? It is a collection of private international banks. You are absolutely right about Congress' duty to coin money but nowhere does it say they can give that authority away to foreign bankers. Besides, why would you want an expandable, contractable currency? This is why prices are fluxuating wildly. It is why our economy will collapse.
Don't you think you should be permitted to know what the value of our money is?
look i'm not chilling for the bankers. the world is more complex than when the framers wrote the constitution, slavery was legal then, now is ilegal and things are always in a state flux. i don't think carrying coins in our pockets is practical.
corruption and opression have been going on since the beginning of time and political power breads corruption, nothing new there.
the point i'm making is that you as an individual have a choice in the matter, you can opt-out of the economy, you can choose how you invest your money etc.
in my view the power of an individual it to wisely size-up the situation and make it work to his/her advantage.
good discussion my friend
Yes it is and a pleasure to exchange ideas. You are right about opting out. In fact this is a big part of the problem we face with the economy. People have lost all faith in the financial institutions and political leaders. They will pull inward and do as you suggest. Lord knows I have already and it sounds like you too. Understanding fiat money is a tricky one to do on the big picture. But after you mull it over for a couple decades it hits you. It's a swindle.
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